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Blockchain technology is about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity, from health care to our Internet of Things devices. In this podcast, host Laura Shin talks with industry pioneers across tech, financial services, health care, government and other sectors about how the blockchain and cryptocurrency will open up new opportunities for incumbents, startups and everyday people to interact more efficiently, directly and globally.

Oct 15, 2019

Mariano Conti, the head of smart contracts for MakerDAO and creator of SelloutDAO, and Peter Pan, the summoner for Metacartel DAO, discuss all things DAOs, including how Peter started Metacartel DAO after being rejected from MolochDAO, and why Mariano initially voted against Peter joining. (Peter eventually joined.) They also discuss how they came to form YangDAO, why Mariano almost rage quit MolochDAO after the YangDAO formed, and how other MolochDAO members felt about SelloutDAO, which Mariano describes as an experiment in "on-chain corruption." We discuss how DAOs are actually heavily built on trust and why they require a lot of social coordination off-chain. They also discuss funding for LAOs, which have a legal entity such as an LLC affiliated with them, why Metacartel is launching a LAO, and which types of projects should be funded by DAOs vs traditional corporate structures. We also cover governance issues at MakerDAO, why it has a CEO, and what role leadership in general plays in a DAO. 

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Episode links: 

Mariano Conti:

Peter Pan:


Metacartel DAO:


Unchained interview with Ameen Soleimani of MolochDAO:

Unchained interview with Santiago Siri:

DAO Revival:

Andy Milenius’s account of MakerDAO’s change from a decentralized to a centralized project:

CoinDesk story on the rift:

Two most recent MakerDAO votes:

Unchained interviews with Rune Christensen of MakerDAO: Part 1:

Part 2:

MakerDAO vulnerabilities: 

ETH could have been stolen: 

The LAO:

Critique of the LAO:

MakerDAO launching multi-collateral Dai:

Are DAO’s legal?

Unconfirmed interview with Uniswap:

Unconfirmed episode with Ryan Zurrer about resurrecting the DAO:

Unchained interview with Aragon: